|
Sada je: ned 06 ruj, 2026 9:37 pm.
|
Neodgovoreni postovi | Aktivne teme
|
Stranica: 1/1.
|
[ 9 post(ov)a ] |
|
| Autor/ica |
Poruka |
|
anarho trekkie
Pridružen/a: ned 16 tra, 2006 1:52 am Postovi: 14375 Lokacija: Zagreb, Južna Europa Spol: Muški Naj Serija: DS9 Naj Film: ST: IV Opis Stanja: Ljubav, znanost i anarhija Koje si vrste?: hewmon
|
 2x23 - Crossover
"Crossover" (S drugu stranu zrcala) Sezona:2 Epizoda: 23 Datum premijere: 15.05.1994. Prikazano na HRT-u: 09.12.2008. Scenaristi: Peter Allan Fields (teleplay), Michael Piller (teleplay) i Peter Allan Fields (story by) Redatelj: David Livingston Gostujući Glumci:Stardate: nepoznat Kratak sadržaj: (preuzeto sa ST centra) Uslijed znatnih tehničkih poteškoća za vrijeme putovanja kroz crvotočinu, Kira i Bashir nađu se u alternativnom svemiru gdje je DS9 u rukama zlog klinggonsko-kardasijanskog Saveza. U ovom svemiru, ne zna se za crvotočinu, i ljudi nemaju nikakvih prava. Zbog toga je Bashir osuđen na prisilni rad, radeći pod sadističkim Odom II koji mrzi ljude. Kasnije, Kira II kaže Kiri o zadnjem prelasku, koji se je dogodio s kapetanom Kirkom prije jednog stoljeća. Taj incident je vodio do formiranja moćnog saveza Klingonaca i Kardasijanaca u kojem je Bajor također veliki igrač. Kira II kaže Kiri da ne može dopustiti Kiri i Bashiru da ostanu na životu, ali Kira uvjeri svog duplikata da ih poštedi i dopusti joj da pronađe put povratka. Detaljnije informacije: Memory AlphaKompletan scenarij: ST MinutaeBackground info:* This episode was originally to be titled "Detour". * This episode continues the story of the mirror universe first seen in the TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror" and later in the Star Trek: Enterprise episodes "In a Mirror, Darkly" and "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II". DS9 returns to the mirror universe in "Through the Looking Glass", "Shattered Mirror", "Resurrection", and "The Emperor's New Cloak". * Writer Robert Hewitt Wolfe wrote the fall of the Terran Empire into the script as an analogy for the fall of the Roman Empire to barbarians and the Chinese Dynasty to the Mongols. He also wanted to illustrate that if an Empire is as brutal as the Terran Empire was in "Mirror, Mirror", there were probably reasons why it was so brutal and he wished to convey the message that, in such circumstances, one cannot change things over night, and even the actions of Captain Kirk can have severe consequences; "Empires aren't usually brutal unless there's a reason. There are usually external or internal pressures that cause them to be that way. So I just thought that if the parallel Earth was that brutal, there had to be a reason. And the reason was that the barbarians (the Klingons and the Cardassians) were at the gate." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion) * Wolfe elaborates on the political/historical metaphor contained in this episode when he says, "My analogy was to the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was as brutal and as nasty as it was because all around it, it had very aggressive barbarians that it was afraid of. The Chinese had the same thing, the Mongols were always there. So if you suddenly make the Romans nice guys, or the Chinese nice guys, well that's great and everything, but then the Mongols come across and it's all over. So that was kind of the idea, what was the mirror universe like a hundred years [after "Mirror, Mirror"]. Well, it might not be a very nice place." (Hidden File 03, DS9 Season 2 DVD, Special Features) * Worf was to appear in this episode, but Michael Dorn was unavailable as he was filming the final episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation. His lines were given to Andrew Robinson and the lines intended for Elim Garak were used to create the character Telok. The original script can be found here. When Worf did appear in later mirror universe episodes, he played Regent Worf, leader of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance. * The knife wielded by the Terran when he is knocked over by Telok was designed by Rick Sternbach for an episode called "The Beast", which became the basis for the episode "Blood Oath", and it was originally intended to be wielded by a Klingon. (Deep Space Nine Sketchbook, DS9 Season 2 DVD, Special Features) * The teaser scene in which the two Klingon soldiers board the runabout is intentionally shot from extreme angles, which director David Livingston compared to essentially shooting up the actors' noses. He did this intentionally to emphasize how different things were in the mirror universe. During the preproduction period of this episode, Livingston watched the 1949 Carol Reed movie The Third Man for inspiration, although he has admitted that he may have gone too far in using radically different angles. * After this episode aired, there was a great deal of discussion about how sexy and alluring Nana Visitor was as the Intendant, with the costume she wore garnering a great deal of attention. According to costume designer Robert Blackman, the general consensus amongst fans was that it was the revealing costume that gave Visitor this new level of seductiveness, but Blackman disagrees; "It's not that I've exposed more of her body - it's exposed pretty much the same way it always is. What's the difference? She's the difference. It's how Nana wears it. It's what she does. She walks like a provocative woman, with her legs crossing in front. She uses her hips, and a whole other kind of body English than she normally uses." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion) * In later mirror universe episodes, the Terran Rebellion overthrew the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance and captured Terok Nor, which is what Sisko alludes to when he says he and his men will "stir things up on this side." The Terrans would later build a copy of the Defiant using plans stolen from this universe. * Cirroc Lofton (Jake Sisko) does not appear in this episode. Later episodes would establish that Jake Sisko was never born in the mirror universe. * This is the only mirror universe episode in which the crossover is made via the Bajoran wormhole. All subsequent episodes show the crossover being made by way of a specially adapted transporter. The non-canon novel Fearful Symmetry claims this is because the crossover in this episode was a deliberate attempt by the Prophets to connect the two universes.
_________________ Cvicek I Crveni, First of His Name, Grandmaster of USS Croatia forum, Winner of Sferakon GoT Quiz, Red Bat of the Night, Nirham, Breaker of Presidents, Anarhotrekkie, Mamafat, and Father of Brainfarts.
|
| uto 09 pro, 2008 9:51 pm |
|
 |
|
Make it so
Pridružen/a: uto 08 sij, 2008 10:38 pm Postovi: 8181 Spol: Muški Naj Serija: TNG Naj Film: First Contact
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
Jadni ljudi robovi u paralelnom svemiru  Eto tamo kod druge kire se sve izvrnulo , ona je gadura prve klase , odo vise nema osjecaja za pravdu i postenje a sisko je pirat , quark je bio cak i podosta posten Spomenulo malo i kirka danas 8 ps lijep mali govor milesa o smileya (obriena) na kraju , ponekad je los zivot uistinu gori od smrti 
_________________ Surviving the new decade
|
| uto 09 pro, 2008 10:43 pm |
|
 |
|
Egzobiolog
Pridružen/a: čet 11 svi, 2006 12:52 am Postovi: 19665 Lokacija: Planet Vulcan Naj Serija: ENT Naj Film: Insurrection Opis Stanja: Always positive Koje si vrste?: 1/2 Vulcan;1/2 Human
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
...malo mi je nelogično da obrađuju rudaču na 'paralelnoj' postaji...
...na početku je Julian pokušavao zašprehavati Kiru u šatlu...
...da, izgleda da su Kirk i Spock tu cijelu pomutnju napravili... ...'paralelni' Odo ima pravila poslušnosti... LOL
...izgleda da je u toj cijeloj paralelnoj prići Quark najbolji lik... ...no on i Odo nisu preživjeli 'paralelnu' epizodu...
...'paralelni' Sisko spašava pravu Kiru i Juliana... to nisam baš očekivao...
...no kad povučemo crtu na kraju nije mi baš nešto zanimljiva epizoda bila...
4
_________________
[url=http://img218.imageshack.us/i/cvijee.gif/]
|
| sri 10 pro, 2008 12:20 pm |
|
 |
|
Über Trekkie
Pridružen/a: čet 06 tra, 2006 9:40 pm Postovi: 1166 Lokacija: Zg
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
Meni se cini da bi u takvom paralelnom svemiru , gdje nema crvotocine, Odo bio nemoguc.
Tj Founderi ga nebi mogli poslati u 'nas' kvadrant na Terok Nor, nego bi negdje drugdje u Gama kvadrantu ucio o humanoidima.
_________________ Hvala Daso : “Shvatio sam da čovjek drugoga čovjeka smije gledati s visine samo kada mu pomaže da se pridigne.”
|
| čet 11 pro, 2008 10:34 pm |
|
 |
|
Make it so
Pridružen/a: uto 08 sij, 2008 10:38 pm Postovi: 8181 Spol: Muški Naj Serija: TNG Naj Film: First Contact
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
Crvotocine ima ali tamo nije otkrivena 
_________________ Surviving the new decade
|
| čet 11 pro, 2008 11:03 pm |
|
 |
|
Fi'ta Gul
Pridružen/a: pet 19 svi, 2006 2:09 pm Postovi: 6485 Lokacija: Cardassia Prime
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
Nekakva petica, možda sam previše i dao. Nikad nisam bio ljubitelj tih "paralelnih" epizoda pa neću ni sada postati. Mirror Kira mi je totalna glupača, puno gora od prave. Odo je fora. I ovdje se drži reda, samo u totalno druge svrhe. Baš mi je bilo smiješno kad je šamarao Mustafu. Sisko mi je baš fora. On i njegova banda skupljaju poreze za upraviteljicu Kiru i žive k'o begovi. Malo mi je čak i čudno da su se tako odjednom odmetnuli, no neka, bit će kasnije zanimljivije. Odlično mi je bilo kad je Milivoja počeo zaje... : "Heloou, Smaajlii!!!" Garak i Quark totalno su suprotni svojim originalima u "normalnom" svemiru. Garak je totalni gad i ovisnik o nasilju (ali se ipak mora pokoriti Kirinoj čizmi), a Quark je iznenađujuće dobar, čak mi ga je bilo i žao (dobro, u "Emperor's new cloak" će biti još više iznenađujuće kad vidimo totalno dobrog i brižnog Brunta). Bez obzira na navedene pozitivne stvari, epizoda je bezveze jer je priča totalno šuplja. Ima samo 4 stavke: prebačaj u paralelni svemir, zarobljavanje, bijeg i ponovni prebačaj i "normalni" svemir, a sve to nekako traljavo izvedeno. Dobro, Siskova izdaja Kire i uspješan Milivojev bijeg s njim su podloga za kasnije "mirror" epizode.
_________________ William T. Riker: "Fate. Protects fools, little children and ships named Enterprise."
|
| pet 12 pro, 2008 1:45 am |
|
 |
|
anarho trekkie
Pridružen/a: ned 16 tra, 2006 1:52 am Postovi: 14375 Lokacija: Zagreb, Južna Europa Spol: Muški Naj Serija: DS9 Naj Film: ST: IV Opis Stanja: Ljubav, znanost i anarhija Koje si vrste?: hewmon
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
9 Prva u nizu DS9 mirror universe epizoda od kojih je meni svaka odlična Na početku je zbilja bilo komično gledati pokušaje Bashira da se sprijatelji s Kirom  Da, Quark je ispao najveća poštenjačina od svih - spašavao je ljude kao Ferengijski Shindler  ali na kraju i nastradao.... spooky je bilo čuti Kiru kako ga osuđuje na što bezbolniju smrt Odo i "Rules of obidience"  Kako se gadno rasprsnuo nakon što su ga upucali Možda je priča šuplja, kao što kaže Ternek, ali dobro smo se upoynati sa "settingom" mirror universea i to je ono što takvim epizodama daje draž - likovi u skroy drugačijim ulogama, drugačijeg ponašanja,... zanimljivi kostimi, posebno kirin (bila je istodobno i zastrašujuća i sexy  ), pa drugačiji kutevi snimanja - sve to doprinosi posebnom ugođaju takvih epizoda... I na kraju, jesu li Proroci imali svoje prste u prebacivanju Kire i Bashira u mirror universe, željeći spojiti dva universea? Mr.bobo je napisao/la: ...malo mi je nelogično da obrađuju rudaču na 'paralelnoj' postaji... Zašto? To je bila prvotna namjena i orginalnom Terok Noru...
_________________ Cvicek I Crveni, First of His Name, Grandmaster of USS Croatia forum, Winner of Sferakon GoT Quiz, Red Bat of the Night, Nirham, Breaker of Presidents, Anarhotrekkie, Mamafat, and Father of Brainfarts.
|
| pon 29 pro, 2008 4:08 am |
|
 |
|
Egzobiolog
Pridružen/a: čet 11 svi, 2006 12:52 am Postovi: 19665 Lokacija: Planet Vulcan Naj Serija: ENT Naj Film: Insurrection Opis Stanja: Always positive Koje si vrste?: 1/2 Vulcan;1/2 Human
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
Cvicek je napisao/la: Mr.bobo je napisao/la: ...malo mi je nelogično da obrađuju rudaču na 'paralelnoj' postaji... Zašto? To je bila prvotna namjena i orginalnom Terok Noru... ...ok, prvo ... odakle dobivaju sirovinu? ...pa zar nije bolje da se na Bajoru naprave prerađivački kapaciteti... ? ...puno manje energije bi se trošilo...
_________________
[url=http://img218.imageshack.us/i/cvijee.gif/]
|
| pon 29 pro, 2008 1:56 pm |
|
 |
|
anarho trekkie
Pridružen/a: ned 16 tra, 2006 1:52 am Postovi: 14375 Lokacija: Zagreb, Južna Europa Spol: Muški Naj Serija: DS9 Naj Film: ST: IV Opis Stanja: Ljubav, znanost i anarhija Koje si vrste?: hewmon
|
 Re: 2x23 - Crossover
Mr.bobo je napisao/la: ...ok, prvo ... odakle dobivaju sirovinu? ...pa zar nije bolje da se na Bajoru naprave prerađivački kapaciteti... ? ...puno manje energije bi se trošilo... Sirovinu su dobijali između ostalog sa planeta oko kojeg je stanica kružila - Bajora... nisu došli na Bajor da pomognu Bajorancima, nego da ih iskorištavaju.... A da li im je efikasnije tako nešto imati na Bajoru - ne bih znao - ali činjenica je da je lakše održavati red i izbjeći napade pobunjenika ako su na izoliranoj postaji... čak ni to nije spriječilo Kiru da uspješno obavi sabotažu...
_________________ Cvicek I Crveni, First of His Name, Grandmaster of USS Croatia forum, Winner of Sferakon GoT Quiz, Red Bat of the Night, Nirham, Breaker of Presidents, Anarhotrekkie, Mamafat, and Father of Brainfarts.
|
| pon 29 pro, 2008 2:50 pm |
|
 |
|
|
Stranica: 1/1.
|
[ 9 post(ov)a ] |
|
Online |
Trenutno korisnika/ca: / i 1 gost. |
|
Ne možeš započinjati nove teme. Ne možeš odgovarati na postove. Ne možeš uređivati svoje postove. Ne možeš izbrisati svoje postove. Ne možeš postati privitke.
|
|